Skip to main content

Chapter 15

We discussed both when Joe hits Janie and when Tea Cake hits Janie a fair amount in class. But we didn’t really get to discuss Chapter 15, in which Janie hits Tea Cake.

The chapter begins with “Janie learned what it felt like to be jealous” (136). A woman named Nunkie has been flirting with Tea Cake and how Tea Cake flirts with her in return. When Janie finds Tea Cake and Nunkie wrestling for some tickets she goes home: “It wasn’t long before Tea Cake found her there and tried to talk. She cut him short with a blow and they fought from one room to the other, Janie trying to beat him, and Tea Cake kept holding her wrists and wherever he could to keep her from going too far” (137). The fight ends with Janie and Tea Cake having sex.

First off, to me violence seems pretty out of character for Janie. We see her fighting verbally with Joe and expressing her opinion pretty forcefully with Tea Cake. I’d say that for the most part, she deals with problems with other people either through talking it out or quiet defiance.

This scene is also really isolated within the novel. While the scenes in which Joe and Tea Cake hit Janie both lead into other scenes before the end of the chapter, the scene in which Janie hits Tea Cake is a standalone, three-page chapter and doesn’t really relate to the chapters before and after.

In class we talked briefly about why Hurston portrays Joe’s domestic violence as bad but Tea Cake’s as good. I think the reasons we came up with were that Tea Cake and Janie are in love and that their relationship is somewhat based on turbulence. I can’t help wondering if Hurston included Chapter 15 as an excuse for Tea Cakes violence because Janie is also violent and actual violence is somehow a natural result of their violent love. Even if that’s what Hurston was going for, though, the circumstances are pretty unequal. Tea Cake actually flirts with Nunkie but he knows that Janie has been entirely faithful to him and Tea Cake leaves bruises on Janie but seems to be able to mostly stop her from hurting him.


Mostly it just makes me sad that a relationship that is in many ways so amazing includes violence but I’m interested in what you all think of the chapter.

Comments

  1. Tea Cake and Janie love each other extremely intensely. Perhaps Hurston is suggesting that with intense love comes other intense emotions, some of which that can provoke physical violence? It's scary to think that a strong feeling for another can elicit someone to behave uncharacteristically. It's like a balancing act. You can't have that passionate of a relationship without both love and hate.

    ReplyDelete
  2. For some reason now I'm seeing this chapter as an episode of a T.V. sitcom, and the episode is titled "Janie Learns About Jealousy" or something else really cheesy. And taking this perspective further, if this chapter is like an episode of the TEWWG sitcom, then it shows character development in a way that doesn't really have a huge effect on the overall story of the show. Maybe this chapter is just meant to represent another aspect of their relationship that otherwise wouldn't come up?
    Actually, I'm realizing what I'm saying is kinda weird, but hopefully you see where I'm going.

    ReplyDelete
  3. I think that Janie's relationship with Tea Cake's relationship is supposed to seem more egalitarian than her other relationships, so she also attacks Tea Cake. But at the same time, Hurston could still be trying to make the point that double standards and power dynamics between husband and wife are always there and always bad, and so the ways in which the two attacks play out are very different to show that imbalance? Maybe she's trying to represent the relationship as better but still problematic in some ways.

    ReplyDelete
  4. There is a kind of parallel to the later scene with Tea Cake here: by physically attacking Tea Cake, Janie is able to communicate how much she cares for him and how "crazy" her love is, even if it's through the context of "jealousy" over Nunkie. He seems to take it this way: he holds her hands and tries to prevent her from hitting him, he takes his due punishment, and as you note, the fight quickly morphs into "make-up sex." Likewise, in a way that's a lot harder for many readers to stomach, Tea Cake's violence against Janie is cast as a way of showing how much he cares by sending this "message" of possession to Mrs. Turner's brother. We recoil at this means of sending a message, of course, on a number of levels--but within the cultural context of the novel, this is how the men and women on the muck interpret it, and apparently how Janie does as well.

    It's not hard to see her punching Tea Cake as an expression of love; contrast the scenes in Eatonville, where Janie "talks back" to Joe and humiliates him in front of everyone. She does more damage with her words than with her fists.

    ReplyDelete

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

How does Odysseus feel about his men? Bonus: a lot of questions about class

We’ve discussed a lot to what extent we think Odysseus is a reliable narrator. The main piece of evidence for his reliability is that he includes details about the way he treated his crew that reflect badly on him. Today in class I suggested that he could include these details to make lies seem more realistic and someone suggested that Odysseus probably just truly feels bad about his men’s deaths. But that started me thinking about the weird dynamic of Odysseus’s relationship with his crew so I looked back in the book to see how he talks about his men and their deaths. I presented on book eleven, so I immediately thought of Elpenor. Elpenor certainly seems important to Odysseus since Odysseus mentions him three times: when he first died, when he’s in the underworld, and when he’s actually buried. Odysseus’s attention to Elpenor both in burying him with all the proper rituals and in describing his death in detail in his story shows that Odysseus has some level of affection for him

The Pantasote Top

In describing Coalhouses’s Model T, Doctorow repeatedly mentions the custom pantasote top. When we first meet Coalhouse the narrator mentions the top: “His car shone. The brightwork gleamed. There was a glass windshield and a custom pantasote top” (155). When his car is vandalized by the firemen “the custom pantasote top was slashed to ribbons” (180). When Conklin repairs the car, the end result is “a shining black Model T Ford with a custom pantasote roof” (295). We talked about how the car is a symbol of wealth and status and so the mention of the custom top (a fancy addition) at the end of so many descriptions of the car reminds us of that. But what actually is a pantasote top? When the car is being repaired “The Pantasote Company delivered a top” so from the book we know that it’s a brand name top (295). I also googled pantasote and it appears to be both the name of a company and the name of the particular material the company used to make car tops.

Flowers in Mrs. Dalloway

Flowers abound in Mrs. Dalloway . Parts of the plot are flower centric. The book begins with Clarissa going to buy flowers. Later on she reflects on the unique way Sally arranges flowers and how Sally kissed her after picking a flower. Richard brings Clarissa flowers when he comes home. Flowers are also just briefly mentioned throughout the book. When Peter follows a woman to her house his thoughts about Clarissa are interrupted by “The house was one of those flat red houses with hanging flowers of vague impropriety. (…) Well, I’ve had my fun; I’ve had it, he thought, looking up at the swinging basket of pale geraniums.” (53). It’s odd that Peter focuses on the flowers at all, given that his thoughts are mostly consumed by Clarissa and the other woman but it’s also interesting that Peter notes the specific type of flower. Later Peter thinks about Sally and flowers: “Who was it who had done that? (…) Somebody who had written him a long, gushing letter quite lately about